Games != Divinity

By RON, Posted 22 Sep 2009

I’m not a religious person. Not by any means. I don’t pray. I don’t confess. I don’t have any sign a religious person can have. Yes, I’m not a religious person at all.

I was playing Knights of Honor few days back. It’s an old strategy game. While I was building my kingdom, I needed marbles. My territory didn’t have this resource. So, I decided to go for trade. The only province in the entire man producing marbles; was from a different religion background. Its empire was constantly refusing my offer. The only option I had was to invade and take what I needed. His war power was weaker than mine anyway. I got really pissed when he was constantly refusing my offer, so I sent a big army across the sea and invaded his province. I captured the King alive and imprisoned his children. I set up a camp there and started to take my precious marbles to support the construction. That didn’t conclude my pissness though. I hired a Pope and converted their religion. After few game years of spiritual torture, the city breaks down. Many wars with rebels were fought in the mean time. But I keep punishing them. And afterward; I leave my attention to somewhere else of the map.

After few hours of gameplay, when my Kingdom is fully established and obviously flourishing with happiness and riches; I notice that province I captured. Everything was burning and damaged without care and people were dying. I decided to release them from the agony and let their empire live free and while removing my camp from there, I donate them a large amount of gold to recover from the loss.

Last two paragraphs don’t have anything to do with religion. It was just a devout matter that altered all those consequences. The actual meaning of divinity is absolutely absent from games. Any game you can think of. Some games teach us patriotism, some improves brain functions but none gives us any idea about the mysticism which we all are somehow enforced to follow.

It’ll be foolish to ask for such game. How can a group of men create a game with ideas that can only be defined by the One?



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  • As far as I know, you do believe in Almighty. And, I agree with your last statement. Such game can't be possible to build.

    Posted Sep 23, 2009
  • Because the One is part of most religions of the world, as most of them are Monotheistic Wink

    Posted Sep 23, 2009
  • I still have no clue on what you were talking about. Looking forward to the next part.

    Posted Sep 24, 2009
  • Like you I also see myself more or less of an agnostic but I tend to stay out of religious discussions as much as I can...

    I must admit that I haven't heard of the game before, but after I checked it with my friends I managed to find it and play it to see what you were talking about(because it kinda confused me :D ). Well after checking that 1 hour tutorial that made me think all hopes was lost in its complexity, I started to “Play on Europe”... with Wallachia(I could have also played with Moldavia or Dobrudzha... but let's say my patriotic sense of choosing the banner made me led me to this one :P ). Ok, to cut the long story short... I managed to quickly conquer all the other Romanian provinces, made Hungary my vassal(inversed history lesson there :P ) and started making myself a huge empire... Now I'm the largest kingdom around with the largest army and merchant power and I have managed to get all the kingdom advantages, but I decided not to end it shortly...

    As you say there is a religious factor in the game, but it isn't that much of a bother. The fact that you have lots of rebels pillaging your land is because the lack of happiness in the region. You can always build a inn/hostel, have an marshal kill all the rebels, high kingdom power and it would be a good idea to be at peace with all other countries(except for the ones you are trying to conquer)... ow, and it seems that if you fill your garrison with strong soldiers there are less rebellions in the region.

    About the religious conversion... yes it kinda fails... but it works after 2 or 3 times, at most(I mean, I don't see any problem there as I spend extremely more on hurrying building construction then on the conversions...). You can also try to adopt the population before converting... it kinda makes it more successful…

    It depends on what you want on the religious part... I mean if you want something relating to today's current big religions, you won't really find in that much of a part in any game, but if you're searching for fantasy religions or to some extent blasphemous/pagan teaching(a good example, I guess, would be found in Vampire – The Masquerade: Bloodline… (I believe it’s the World In Darkness universe)...where it talks of how were the vampires created, changing fragments from the Bible… ), then that's not hard to find AND most are fairly well detailed. To give an example as I saw it recently, while replaying Arcanum: Of Steamworks And Magika Obscura, I found lots of details about the dwarfs' beliefs governed by The Stone and The Shape... lots of religious philosophy there… :D

    Um... maybe not. But still, I don’t see why anyone wouldn’t set a game in a globalised state, with one monotheist religion... but that's not my problem.

    Posted Sep 25, 2009
  • avatar RON

    You really played that game! That’s great  :) KoH isn’t anything fancy but it can keep you busy for longer hours. And, I agree with all what you’ve said about the game. Trust me mate, I’ve mastered this game. Played for 2 long years every single day. Well, the game itself is history now. I’ve written many times to Sunflower when they were asking for feedback but this game never saw its future anymore. And, if you really want to have fun with the game’s politics and difficulty to win, start your game with Italy. If you go lucky to have Germany, France and Papacy as your on. and, LOL for what you’ve said about Romania there. I hope Woozie doesn’t notice your comment :P

    The religious factor isn’t indeed any big part of that game. My reason behind bringing that part of gameplay wasn’t actually about any spiritual fact of that game. This blog’s sequel will explain why I talked about KoH in this blog.

    I’ll take a look at the games you talked about. You’ve surprised me with your comment. Totally unexpected.

    Posted Sep 25, 2009
  • I agree with you on the two things: 1.The game may not be that great compared with other similar games but if you get hooked by it, you'll end up spending some good hours with it :D 2.The chance for a sequel is kinda inexistent. I mean for Ubisoft to come with something like this... and to be at least as good as this one... not that much of a chance...

    About the Romanian provinces... it's nothing to get frustrated about, I mean, the first unification was made by Mihai Viteazul(Mihai the Brave)(from Wallachia...) who took over Moldavia and Transylvania and created a big state(which would be roughly the same size as Romania today) in 1600, but it lasted for a few months, as the king of Poland helped the beaten lord of Moldavia to claim it back(and Transylvania was captured by the Hungarians). Romania, as a state was formed in 1859 with the double election of the same ruler in Wallachia and Moldavia and defined its territorial unification in 1918(and then lost some provinces in WW2...). So... :D ... he should be proud that I unified them some hundreds of years earlier :P And about the other one ... well… :P

    I don't know if Arcanum is the best example, but I mostly like to relate to its tech/magic bar. Maybe a fixation of mine :P

    Posted Sep 25, 2009
  • avatar RON

    hahahahah. Woozie will be proud of you then :P

    Honestly speaking, I don't see any sequel coming in future. Ubisoft won't spend money for a game which wasn't played by many. Sunflower published a patch during 2004 and that was it. The project KoH is now closed and it was somewhat announce at the official website which doesn't even exists atm. Anyway, if you ever find any game similar to this one; do let me know.

    I'll take a look at those game anyway ;)

    Posted Sep 26, 2009
  • Too much for me to write, instead I'll say: Have fun playing the game. :D

    Posted Sep 27, 2009

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